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  • Jun. 30th, 2008 at 9:22 AM
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Appealing to the great LJ Mind:

I'm doing research on heist stories and need some good examples and recommendations, either prose or film. Help, please?

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[info]freudinshade wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 04:40 pm (UTC)
Heist or Caper?
I haven't really watched a lot of Heist movies (does Reservoir Dogs count?)
Ones that come to mind:
Oceans 11 (original and Cloonied, along with the sequels) - I've seen bits and pieces.
The Italian Job (again, original and updated)
The Thomas Crown Affair (to continue the theme of remade heist films)


On a more humorous side:
Kelley's Heroes
The Great Muppet Caper

Reverse Heist movie:
Die Hard

In print, I think some of the Saint stories are heist types (though he's more of a con man with a heart of gold.)

for Films
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Heist_films

I did a Google search for "Heist Stories" and Writing and Snacks from June 30, 2008 comes up #2 so I'm guessing there's not a lot of definitive websites on it...

[info]gregvaneekhout wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 04:43 pm (UTC)
Re: Heist or Caper?
I'm #2 already? Wow. I guess I can hire myself out as an expert consultant now.

How would you describe the difference between a heist and a caper?
Re: Heist or Caper? - [info]freudinshade - Jun. 30th, 2008 04:48 pm (UTC) Expand
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[info]gregvaneekhout wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 05:23 pm (UTC)
Re: Heist or Caper?
Looks like you hit on some that other people are suggesting. Thanks, Phil!

[info]orbitalmechanic wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 04:55 pm (UTC)
In addition to the movies already listed, I liked the 2001 Mamet movie, brilliantly titled "Heist". It was pretty straightforward with the usual set of reversals and surprises and betrayals. Of course if you hate Mamet you'll hate the movie.

The dictionary def. of "heist" is armed robbery, and I think that's generally followed in film. I can't think of anything in prose! Although I think O'Henry has some similarity in style.
[info]gregvaneekhout wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 05:23 pm (UTC)
Oh, cool. I actually like Mamet, so that'll totally work.
[info]essentialsaltes wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 04:57 pm (UTC)
Phil's hit several good ones. Though I'll add The Ladykillers to the list of remade heist movies. Please go with the original; besides, it's hard to pass up Obi Wan as a criminal mastermind.

I'll also recommend

Kubrick's The Killing
Topkapi
A Fish Called Wanda
and of course The Pink Panther

Wikipedia has a page of 'em.
[info]gregvaneekhout wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 05:26 pm (UTC)
I always thought there was a little safe-cracking in his body language when Obi Wan disables the tractor beam.
[info]stephanieburgis wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 05:03 pm (UTC)
I love Walter Jon Williams's Drake Maijstral novels (about a very elegant licensed thief in a hilarious space opera milieu), which almost always end in a big heist. My favorite is the first one, The Crown Jewels. (Sadly, it's out of print, but Amazon has a bunch of used copies they're available, and the book really is hilarious.)
[info]gregvaneekhout wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 05:26 pm (UTC)
Awesome, Steph. Thanks for the rec!
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[info]jimkeller wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 05:10 pm (UTC)
For an excellent study in how to weave character and caper together, I'd suggest the 1955 version of The Ladykillers. It's sort of the Rube Goldberg of heist films, but a good heist needs an element of that to hold an audience's interest.

Also, both film versions of The Thomas Crown Affair are worth studying (I prefer the original, but the remake has one plot complication that that merits attention).

As for prose, I'm afraid my tastes there run much more into "mystery" than "heist."
[info]gregvaneekhout wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 05:27 pm (UTC)
Looks like Ladykillers and The Thomas Crown Affair are both going near the top of the list. Thanks, Jim!
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[info]voidmonster wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 05:16 pm (UTC)
A short list:

Thief
Heat

If you'd like to watch one that's absolutely lunatic, try Treasure of the Four Crowns (Sadly only available on VHS, but it was filmed in 3d!)

The Assassination of Jesse James By The Coward Robert Ford is also a heist movie of sorts, though it deconstructs the notion until it's not really recognizable.

I've got DVDs I'd be happy to loan or watch of:

Thief, Heat, the remake of The Thomas Crown Affair, Reservoir Dogs, the original The Italian Job, Jackie Brown, Johnny Handsome and The Wild Bunch. Plus, maybe, others I can't think of.

You're welcome to come over and raid my DVD collection.
[info]gregvaneekhout wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 05:22 pm (UTC)
Hey, thanks Zak! I'll probably take you up on that offer. I was afraid I was gonna have to totally upgrade my Netflix to the highest level.
[info]sleary wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 05:21 pm (UTC)
Scott Lynch's books are heists wrapped in cons wrapped in capers. And the second one has pirates!
[info]gregvaneekhout wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 05:27 pm (UTC)
Ah, prose examples. Great! Thank you!
(no subject) - [info]sleary - Jun. 30th, 2008 06:00 pm (UTC) Expand
[info]jonhansen wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 05:26 pm (UTC)
I remember as a child The First Great Train Robbery having an effect on me.

As for print, are you looking for real life stuff, or fictional fiction? For nonfiction, Heist!: The $17 Million Loomis Fargo Theft sounds rather interesting, or perhaps The Encyclopedia of Robberies, Heists, and Capers. As for fiction, nothing comes to mind. The mysteries/crime stuff I read tends to involve murderous murder rather than relieving rich folks of their overpriced antiques. Hmm. Wimbledon Green: The Greatest Comic Book Collector in the World sounds interesting, but I cannot speak to how good it actually is.
[info]gregvaneekhout wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 05:28 pm (UTC)
Hm, more fiction than nonfiction, though I'm sure the nonfiction was probably source material for the fiction, so I should probably look at some of that stuff too.
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[info]scarypudding wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 05:31 pm (UTC)
The classic, I think, is The Asphalt Jungle (1950). I can't think of very many other pure examples that I thought were much good, but there's big chunks of heist and/or caper in Neuromancer, Three Kings, The Usual Suspects, Wallace & Gromit's The Wrong Trousers and A Fish Called Wanda. The Castle of Cagliostro (anime, 1979) is also definitely worth checking out.
[info]gregvaneekhout wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 05:34 pm (UTC)
Why did I think The Asphalt Jungle was an urban school drama with Sidney Poitier and Glenn Ford?
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[info]tim_pratt wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 05:49 pm (UTC)
I'll second Heist and Heat. For books, you might try some of the Richard Stark thrillers (crime novels written by Donald Westlake under his Stark pseudonym, which he uses for his more-brutal-than-whimsical stories). The ones about his thief Parker are very heisty (though quite often they follow the template of a thief who gets ripped off by other thieves and tries to get his ill-gotten gains back).
[info]_stranger_here wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 05:57 pm (UTC)
Dear god, I've seen almost every one of these movies. I guess I have a thing for a good heist.

You're getting lots of good recommendations. You might enjoy Score, with DeNiro. Another movie I've got a soft spot for is Hudson Hawk, though we're really moving well into the realm of ridiculous caper comedy there, not serious heist. The Spanish Prisoner is another Mamet film that deals in heist-like theft and deception, though Heist itself is the way to go for core heisting. Queen Latifah has been in not one but two mediocre heist films, Set It Off and Mad Money. The first is better but neither is much good, unless you are like me drawn to all things Latifan and cannot resist. I do like watching women rob banks, though, so I enjoyed Sugar and Spice. Again, light comedy, but banks get robbed.

My favorite capers in print take place in the Modesty Blaise novels, which are my favorite books in the whole world.

[info]sleary wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 06:06 pm (UTC)
I was discussing The Score on Friday in the context of Edward Norton movies. As heists go, I thought it was on the predictable side. However, it's worth watching just to see Norton wipe the floor with both Brando and DeNiro in terms of acting skill. Granted, he had the juicy role, but... damn.
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(Anonymous) wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 05:58 pm (UTC)
Cons crossing over into Capers/Heists
Just to muddy the waters further, I'll add a few Cons (which cross over into the Caper/Heist genre).

"The Spanish Prisoner" (also Mamet goodness)
"Snatch"
"Catch me if You Can" (awesome since based on a true story)
The BBC Series "Hustle" (Season 1 is just fantastic)
(Anonymous) wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 05:59 pm (UTC)
Re: Cons crossing over into Capers/Heists
Oh and "Inside Man" is a great heist film.
--Brian
(Anonymous) wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 06:39 pm (UTC)
Nothing to do with your question, but read this:

Squid!
http://www.nsf.gov/discoveries/disc_summ.jsp?cntn_id=111709&govDel=USNSF_1

~Elizabeth Thomas
[info]gregvaneekhout wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 10:03 pm (UTC)
I hadn't seen this one! Thanks!

Everyone talks about giant squid, but los diablos rojos are the ones that scare me.
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[info]michaeljasper wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 06:44 pm (UTC)
I'd be loving it to read a Greg heist/con/caper novel or story.

Nobody's mentioned "Sneakers" with Robert Redford and River Phoenix from 1992, which I quite liked: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105435/

I like its tagline: "We could tell you what it's about. But then, of course, we'd have to kill you."
[info]freudinshade wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 07:18 pm (UTC)
Oh, definately that one. Redford and Kingsley play off each other quite well in that one and very low key. No chewing the scenery in that one.


And as long as I'm chiming in again, Hudson Hawk is a lot of fun, if in a very juvenile way, but it doesn't really offer much you could use elsewhere...
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[info]rsheslin wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 07:27 pm (UTC)
I liked the twists of Ocean's 12.

For the elements of manipulation and set-up (and if you don't have anything else to watch that night), you might want to consider the Val Kilmer Saint movie.
[info]snurri wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 07:39 pm (UTC)
As a corollary to Tim's comment, I have to recommend The Hot Rock; the book, not the movie, because although the movie is entertaining you get less detail about the various heists. The plot concerns a group of professional but unlucky fellows who are hired to steal a diamond, and end up having to steal it again, and again, and again. It's written by Westlake under his own name, and it's a classic.
[info]tim_pratt wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 10:50 pm (UTC)
Yeah! Hot Rock is awesome. I should re-read it. That book was originally supposed to be a Parker novel, but Westlake realized it was too comedic an idea. In that situation, Parker would have just started shooting people in the face...
[info]robvagle wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2008 11:57 pm (UTC)

I'm a little late to this party, but I do second (or third or whatever) recommend The Great Train Robbery by Michael Crichton. It reads like non-fiction.

I love heist stories!
[info]seventorches wrote:
Jul. 1st, 2008 01:36 am (UTC)
Neuromancer is a heist novel.
[info]bluetyson wrote:
Jul. 1st, 2008 06:13 am (UTC)
Movies

Heat - Pacino, DeNiro

Kevin Spacey?

The Usual Suspects, Ordinary Decent Criminal

Others :-

Lock, Stock and two Smoking Barrels


TV

I'll second the tv series Hustle, too.

The Hard Word (Guy Pearce)

[info]bluetyson wrote:
Jul. 1st, 2008 06:19 am (UTC)
Depending on what you like in your armed robberies you have

Some Conan like The Tower of the Elphant.

and the Lankhmar stories at times, too.

The Stainless Steel Rat
[info]aaronjv wrote:
Jul. 2nd, 2008 09:13 am (UTC)
DEFINITIVE HEIST MOVIES FROM A FUCKIN' SELf-PROCLAIMED EXPERT!
I want to do a heist movie. I've done a fair amount of research in the matter.

Many of the films recommended above are good. But if you're like me, and unfortunately, you are, so you want to see these movies, which I am highly recommending:

The Taking of Pelham 123: Walter Matthau vs. Robert Shaw, Martin Balsam, et al., as they hijack a NY subway train for ransom. Features the use of colors instead of character names (Tarantino copied this flick for Res. Dogs). A little known gem.

Rififi: Yes, it's French AND black and white, but sets the template for all heist films (came before Kubrick's The Killing, which I also highly recommend). Here's a good summary:

Tony Stephanois, just out of prison and angry at his girl Mado's infidelity, decides to join his pals Jo and Mario in an ambitious crime. With Italian safe expert Cesar, they meticulously plan the burglary of a large jewelry establishment. Not a word is spoken as the crime is carried out. And then things begin to go wrong...

I think all of act II is just the heist itself.

Sexy Beast: Ghandi (aka Ben Kingsley) goes freaking balls-out nuts in this tale of a safecracker being forced out of retirement for one last job. This is more character stuff than the other two, but there is a job in the movie.

And if you haven't seen it yet, Tarantino's Jackie Brown is considered by some (like Ken) to be QT's BEST movie (I disagree, but it's more straightforward than his other stuff). Based on Elmore Leonard novel.

If you give me more specifics (time period, drama vs. comedy, action vs. character interaction, etc.), I can come up with some more examples. I love heist films, so let me know your faves. But you have enough to start with.

A heist film on my Netflix queue is The Heist, a made-for-TV movie starring Pierce Brosnan. I'm getting it because my softball team coach is in it (abotu seven scenes, he says) as "short goon." A big burly Italian from Chicago? He's not typecast!
[info]ccfinlay wrote:
Jul. 3rd, 2008 03:13 pm (UTC)
I came late to the post, so I don't have any extra movies to add though I have come away with a few to watch. Although Carl Hiaasen is labeled either a mystery novelist, a crime novelist, or a satirist, a lot of his early novels read like caper books to me: I would suggest taking a look at Tourist Season, Double Whammy, and Native Tongue

I love heist/caper stories and can't wait to see what you're doing.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Jun. 7th, 2009 09:55 pm (UTC)
Heist stuff
In print try "the Stainless Steel Rat" Science Fiction and Heist.

A film not mentioned is "Hudson Hawk" A Bruce Willis cult. I loved it, MANY hate it.
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